Thursday, April 15, 2010
Adaware and Vista problem...
I recently installed Adaware on my dads new laptop and am now checking if there is any spyware etc. but it changes the colour scheme on Vista for some reason. Any way to change it back?
Are laptop Core2's getting a price drop ...
I keep seeing talk of intel price cuts, and i saw a list of processors but didnt see the laptop versionsanyone know??Are laptop Core2's getting a price drop ...
Santa Rosa just arrived, so I doubt there will be price drops for mobile cpus.Are laptop Core2's getting a price drop ...
what are those ''Santa Rosa'' chips againwhy am i thinking that those were the codename for the mobile geforce 8 series
Core 2 Duo mobile CPUs but with 800mhz FSB instead of 667mhz of the older ones.
Santa Rosa just arrived, so I doubt there will be price drops for mobile cpus.Are laptop Core2's getting a price drop ...
what are those ''Santa Rosa'' chips againwhy am i thinking that those were the codename for the mobile geforce 8 series
Core 2 Duo mobile CPUs but with 800mhz FSB instead of 667mhz of the older ones.
512mb. 7950gt or 8800gts 320mb?
hey which graphics card should i pick? im not sure if the extra $ is worth it for the 8800gts....512mb. 7950gt or 8800gts 320mb?
8800GTS.Both cards are highend but the 8800 is DX10, so you won't need to upgrade for a while.Its more effective to spend the money now on a DX10 card, than buy a DX9 to replace it relatively quickly..512mb. 7950gt or 8800gts 320mb?
Definitely the 8800GTS.
wat brand should i pick?>
[QUOTE=''stefanec1992'']wat brand should i pick?>[/QUOTE]EVGA, XFX, and BFG are all considered the best brands, and I'm inclined to agree with those who think so. PNY and Leadtek aren't bad either though, although their warranties aren't as good.
Evga 8800 gts.
XFX are usually a little more expensive than EVGA. So i would choose EVGA
8800GTS.Both cards are highend but the 8800 is DX10, so you won't need to upgrade for a while.Its more effective to spend the money now on a DX10 card, than buy a DX9 to replace it relatively quickly..512mb. 7950gt or 8800gts 320mb?
Definitely the 8800GTS.
wat brand should i pick?>
[QUOTE=''stefanec1992'']wat brand should i pick?>[/QUOTE]EVGA, XFX, and BFG are all considered the best brands, and I'm inclined to agree with those who think so. PNY and Leadtek aren't bad either though, although their warranties aren't as good.
Evga 8800 gts.
i made my choice either the xfx or evga wat would u choose?
XFX are usually a little more expensive than EVGA. So i would choose EVGA
problem with zune software
I currently have Windows media Center OS but whenever I try to install the software with the disc or from the internet it tells me my OS isn't supported or it needs an update. I've gotten every update but it still won't work. I've even had it working on this computer before the Hard drive was reformatted. Is there a fix for this?problem with zune software
i have a problem where when i plug my zune in, it does absolutrly nothing. it won't recognize that its plugged in
i have a problem where when i plug my zune in, it does absolutrly nothing. it won't recognize that its plugged in
Please Help!!! X1950 PRO problems
Ok so my motherboard is a K8M890M-M by ECS and has a PCI-E x16 slot. I bought a EAX1950PRO and for some reason when i installed it, it didnt display anything so i just used the onboard to TRY and install the drivers. When i go and install the drivers it says Hardware no detected or ASUS card not detected. Ive tried everything! i mean everything and dont know what i am doing wrong. The card and motherboard are brand new. Ive had the motherboard for about 1week now and just got the card today. PLEASE HELP! anyonePlease Help!!! X1950 PRO problems
Anyone please!Please Help!!! X1950 PRO problems
call tech support. im stumped
[QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx'']Ok so my motherboard is a K8M890M-M by ECS and has a PCI-E x16 slot. I bought a EAX1950PRO and for some reason when i installed it, it didnt display anything so i just used the onboard to TRY and install the drivers. When i go and install the drivers it says Hardware no detected or ASUS card not detected. Ive tried everything! i mean everything and dont know what i am doing wrong. The card and motherboard are brand new. Ive had the motherboard for about 1week now and just got the card today. PLEASE HELP! anyone[/QUOTE]hahaha i had the same problem too when i just purchased my X1950 XT .. just uninstall the current onboard graphics card drivers then install the ATI drivers that are in the drivers CD that came up with the graphics card and it should work fine
Im trying to figure out how to get into my BIOS because some guy told me that i need to change my Primary graphics driver from Onboard to PCI-E. Any ideas guys? id appreciate it!
do that also do what flame_bringer said. you sometimes need to disable or unistall the onboard if it doesnt by itself.
[QUOTE=''SiKh22'']do that also do what flame_bringer said. you sometimes need to disable or unistall the onboard if it doesnt by itself.[/QUOTE] How do igo into the BIOS and switch the video adapter over from onboard to PCI-E.
when the comp boots up, it should use one of the F keys, u press it while it loads. then u find ur slot.. it should be like grahpics or something. you'll see it, then it will say like disable, and what u said onboard to PCI it should do it by it self. or u can make the switch, just look for the video card part of the bios, iam sorry i really forgot what its called
It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.
[QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./
[QUOTE=''flame_bringer''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx'']Ok so my motherboard is a K8M890M-M by ECS and has a PCI-E x16 slot. I bought a EAX1950PRO and for some reason when i installed it, it didnt display anything so i just used the onboard to TRY and install the drivers. When i go and install the drivers it says Hardware no detected or ASUS card not detected. Ive tried everything! i mean everything and dont know what i am doing wrong. The card and motherboard are brand new. Ive had the motherboard for about 1week now and just got the card today. PLEASE HELP! anyone[/QUOTE]hahaha i had the same problem too when i just purchased my X1950 XT .. just uninstall the current onboard graphics card drivers then install the ATI drivers that are in the drivers CD that came up with the graphics card and it should work fine [/QUOTE]Yeah, uninstalling previous drivers should clear your problem right up.
[QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[/QUOTE] I tried and didnt see anything about IGP. Man, im so frustrated right now its not even funny.
look at ur motherboard manual
[QUOTE=''SiKh22'']look at ur motherboard manual[/QUOTE] I did, im actually clueless. This is possibly the worst experience ive had with ATI in quite awhile. I mean, I want to use my damn card but i just cant seem to get it going.
do u have diff card u can try to install? does the onboard work fine? it could be the card it self
[QUOTE=''SiKh22'']do u have diff card u can try to install? does the onboard work fine? it could be the card it self[/QUOTE] Nope, all my other computers are AGP and my other cards are AGP. This really sucks....I just want to use my card but nothing seems to work. I never had this much trouble with AGP cards i dont get why PCI E is being such a hassle.
[QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[/QUOTE] I tried and didnt see anything about IGP. Man, im so frustrated right now its not even funny.[/QUOTE]Skip that, uninstall the old drivers and you'll be fine.
[QUOTE=''thebrantmeister''] [QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[/QUOTE] I tried and didnt see anything about IGP. Man, im so frustrated right now its not even funny.[/QUOTE]Skip that, uninstall the old drivers and you'll be fine. [/QUOTE] I tried that and it didnt work. It still booted up to my onboard graphics.
IS UR SLOT A AGP? u cant put a PCI express CARD IN A AGP. will not work
Anyone please!Please Help!!! X1950 PRO problems
call tech support. im stumped
[QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx'']Ok so my motherboard is a K8M890M-M by ECS and has a PCI-E x16 slot. I bought a EAX1950PRO and for some reason when i installed it, it didnt display anything so i just used the onboard to TRY and install the drivers. When i go and install the drivers it says Hardware no detected or ASUS card not detected. Ive tried everything! i mean everything and dont know what i am doing wrong. The card and motherboard are brand new. Ive had the motherboard for about 1week now and just got the card today. PLEASE HELP! anyone[/QUOTE]hahaha i had the same problem too when i just purchased my X1950 XT .. just uninstall the current onboard graphics card drivers then install the ATI drivers that are in the drivers CD that came up with the graphics card and it should work fine
Im trying to figure out how to get into my BIOS because some guy told me that i need to change my Primary graphics driver from Onboard to PCI-E. Any ideas guys? id appreciate it!
do that also do what flame_bringer said. you sometimes need to disable or unistall the onboard if it doesnt by itself.
[QUOTE=''SiKh22'']do that also do what flame_bringer said. you sometimes need to disable or unistall the onboard if it doesnt by itself.[/QUOTE] How do igo into the BIOS and switch the video adapter over from onboard to PCI-E.
when the comp boots up, it should use one of the F keys, u press it while it loads. then u find ur slot.. it should be like grahpics or something. you'll see it, then it will say like disable, and what u said onboard to PCI it should do it by it self. or u can make the switch, just look for the video card part of the bios, iam sorry i really forgot what its called
It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.
[QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./
[QUOTE=''flame_bringer''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx'']Ok so my motherboard is a K8M890M-M by ECS and has a PCI-E x16 slot. I bought a EAX1950PRO and for some reason when i installed it, it didnt display anything so i just used the onboard to TRY and install the drivers. When i go and install the drivers it says Hardware no detected or ASUS card not detected. Ive tried everything! i mean everything and dont know what i am doing wrong. The card and motherboard are brand new. Ive had the motherboard for about 1week now and just got the card today. PLEASE HELP! anyone[/QUOTE]hahaha i had the same problem too when i just purchased my X1950 XT .. just uninstall the current onboard graphics card drivers then install the ATI drivers that are in the drivers CD that came up with the graphics card and it should work fine [/QUOTE]Yeah, uninstalling previous drivers should clear your problem right up.
[QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[/QUOTE] I tried and didnt see anything about IGP. Man, im so frustrated right now its not even funny.
look at ur motherboard manual
[QUOTE=''SiKh22'']look at ur motherboard manual[/QUOTE] I did, im actually clueless. This is possibly the worst experience ive had with ATI in quite awhile. I mean, I want to use my damn card but i just cant seem to get it going.
do u have diff card u can try to install? does the onboard work fine? it could be the card it self
[QUOTE=''SiKh22'']do u have diff card u can try to install? does the onboard work fine? it could be the card it self[/QUOTE] Nope, all my other computers are AGP and my other cards are AGP. This really sucks....I just want to use my card but nothing seems to work. I never had this much trouble with AGP cards i dont get why PCI E is being such a hassle.
[QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[/QUOTE] I tried and didnt see anything about IGP. Man, im so frustrated right now its not even funny.[/QUOTE]Skip that, uninstall the old drivers and you'll be fine.
[QUOTE=''thebrantmeister''] [QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''xDarkPhoenixx''][QUOTE=''el_carl'']It should be in the motherboard manual or maybe on the companies website. Mine on my ECS motherboard is the delete button.[/QUOTE] But i dont see where to disable my my onboard graphics. What do i need to press to see it? I want to disable my onboard graphics./[/QUOTE]Oh, hmmm... on mione its under a section called advanced options. It should say something like ''igp'' by it. That is intergrated.
[/QUOTE] I tried and didnt see anything about IGP. Man, im so frustrated right now its not even funny.[/QUOTE]Skip that, uninstall the old drivers and you'll be fine. [/QUOTE] I tried that and it didnt work. It still booted up to my onboard graphics.
IS UR SLOT A AGP? u cant put a PCI express CARD IN A AGP. will not work
new graphics card not performing right, ...
I just bought a new Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb AGP 8x to replace my radeon 9600 256mb. Saw benchmarks online where it was gerat, it ran Battlefield 2 with settings maxed, in 1280 x 720 resolution with AA 4x and AF 16x and ran it with 47 frames. I'm running WoW, Battlefield 2142, and Enemy Territory. From what I can tell, I haven't gained anything. Frames are about the same, and it can't handle me turning my settings up in these games. It's the strangest thing. Is it something like a Vsync setting capping my frames? Are the drivers installed wrong or is there a problem with the Catalyst drivers right now? Have I gone as far as I can go with AGP and hit a bottleneck?My system specs are AMD Sempron 3000+, 1GB 333Mhz DDR ram, New 630W power supply, nforce 2 mboard, and of course the Radeon X1650 Pro 512mb AGP 8x card.Yeahh.. I know my cpu is a sempron and that it's a budget cpu. I know my ram could be better. I know I don't have PCI express. But I SHOULD BE getting SOME KIND of better performance out of this card instead of the exact same performance I had before upgrading. Obviously getting 2GB of ram will help and that's my next step, but can anyone tell me what is holding this card back? new graphics card not performing right, ...
Honestly, if you get any gains from that video card, they will be minimal, and maybe not even noticable. That processor is going to bottleneck your system, and so will the RAM. No offense, but it's time for a full upgrade.new graphics card not performing right, ...
I can't afford that, so is it just better to send the card back and get my $110 back? My Xbox 360 burned out 2 days ago also, so I'm just **** outta luckAll the people I've seen online have similar systems, the benchmark i was talking about was similar, and people have said they upgraded from graphics cards better than mine and that this radeon x1650 gave them such a huge increase. I'm still not completely convinced it's my cpu and ram, because it doesn't seem like that would give me the exact same frames before and after
Exact same frames? Like, exact? Precise? Update the drivers.
yeah pretty much the same. Of course they go up and down so here is no exact to compare it to. But all the games ran at around the same frames as they did before, and I was able to increase all the settings in bf2142 and have it run decent for a min or two, then performance dropped HARD so I'm guessing it was the ram. Or the heat. Drivers are updated to the latest, I'm just wondering if they didn't install right
If the performance was almost the same with your old card, get your money back and you should start saving for another pc, your pc can hold, but try not to play everything maxed out.
[QUOTE=''SaiTokoKeimei'']yeah pretty much the same. Of course they go up and down so here is no exact to compare it to. But all the games ran at around the same frames as they did before, and I was able to increase all the settings in bf2142 and have it run decent for a min or two, then performance dropped HARD so I'm guessing it was the ram. Or the heat. Drivers are updated to the latest, I'm just wondering if they didn't install right[/QUOTE]It's either that (drivers) or your computer is bottlenecking. If you retry with the drivers and still get the same results, get your money back for the card and save up for a new PC.
gah. 2 useless pieces of hardware i have to send back this week
how much do you think it would cost for a good pc? I'm poor and like to buy parts that are well below top-notch so i can save money (obviously). Or is there any other cpu i can put in this motherboard?
You would have to tell me what socket the motherboard is. And you can build a decent (at least) gaming pc for less than $1,000. You can build a good gaming pc for $700 or $800 if you don't mind pirating software (not condoning that though, don't ban me). What is your budget, and I'll help you come up with a good configuration.
Lol, and by the way, what's your name on WOW, I play that too. I just started a few days ago and I love it.
Thanks, you're awesome. Character I play right now is Aurahlamun on Magtheridon, Alliance. My budget isn't much, I tell ya. As little as I can spend. $600 if possible, I can borrow parts like hard drive and dvd drive to save money, no monitor needed. Just cpu, ram, and a new gfx card since the new board won't be agp.
oh and the motherboard obviously o_O
For $600 you can have something above decent if you don't need all those parts. Only if you're willing to self build though, which I'm sure you can figure out.
Also won't need to buy Windows since I'll just be using the samehard drive, unless my ATA cables aren't gonna work with the new mboard.
Do you want a case too?
[QUOTE=''SaiTokoKeimei'']Also won't need to buy Windows since I'll just be using the samehard drive, unless my ATA cables aren't gonna work with the new mboard. [/QUOTE]SATA will work just fine. But on most of the new boards, there is only like one IDE slot usually.
I have an extra case layin around but I get confused with the number of expansion slots and how that fits into the case, so I guess a new one won't hurt but it doesn't have to be fancy
thats probably stupid of me but i used to need boards with like 7 PCI slots and had to buy just the right sized case to fit it in, and i got 2 cases out of 3 that didn't work which is why i have an extra now ^_^
[QUOTE=''SaiTokoKeimei'']how much do you think it would cost for a good pc? I'm poor and like to buy parts that are well below top-notch so i can save money (obviously). Or is there any other cpu i can put in this motherboard?[/QUOTE]
I slapt together a pretty good sub-$700 rig. Excludes OS and monitor, KB/M.
Link: https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=5348212pimples blackheads
Honestly, if you get any gains from that video card, they will be minimal, and maybe not even noticable. That processor is going to bottleneck your system, and so will the RAM. No offense, but it's time for a full upgrade.new graphics card not performing right, ...
I can't afford that, so is it just better to send the card back and get my $110 back? My Xbox 360 burned out 2 days ago also, so I'm just **** outta luckAll the people I've seen online have similar systems, the benchmark i was talking about was similar, and people have said they upgraded from graphics cards better than mine and that this radeon x1650 gave them such a huge increase. I'm still not completely convinced it's my cpu and ram, because it doesn't seem like that would give me the exact same frames before and after
Exact same frames? Like, exact? Precise? Update the drivers.
yeah pretty much the same. Of course they go up and down so here is no exact to compare it to. But all the games ran at around the same frames as they did before, and I was able to increase all the settings in bf2142 and have it run decent for a min or two, then performance dropped HARD so I'm guessing it was the ram. Or the heat. Drivers are updated to the latest, I'm just wondering if they didn't install right
If the performance was almost the same with your old card, get your money back and you should start saving for another pc, your pc can hold, but try not to play everything maxed out.
[QUOTE=''SaiTokoKeimei'']yeah pretty much the same. Of course they go up and down so here is no exact to compare it to. But all the games ran at around the same frames as they did before, and I was able to increase all the settings in bf2142 and have it run decent for a min or two, then performance dropped HARD so I'm guessing it was the ram. Or the heat. Drivers are updated to the latest, I'm just wondering if they didn't install right[/QUOTE]It's either that (drivers) or your computer is bottlenecking. If you retry with the drivers and still get the same results, get your money back for the card and save up for a new PC.
gah. 2 useless pieces of hardware i have to send back this week
how much do you think it would cost for a good pc? I'm poor and like to buy parts that are well below top-notch so i can save money (obviously). Or is there any other cpu i can put in this motherboard?
You would have to tell me what socket the motherboard is. And you can build a decent (at least) gaming pc for less than $1,000. You can build a good gaming pc for $700 or $800 if you don't mind pirating software (not condoning that though, don't ban me). What is your budget, and I'll help you come up with a good configuration.
Lol, and by the way, what's your name on WOW, I play that too. I just started a few days ago and I love it.
Thanks, you're awesome. Character I play right now is Aurahlamun on Magtheridon, Alliance. My budget isn't much, I tell ya. As little as I can spend. $600 if possible, I can borrow parts like hard drive and dvd drive to save money, no monitor needed. Just cpu, ram, and a new gfx card since the new board won't be agp.
oh and the motherboard obviously o_O
For $600 you can have something above decent if you don't need all those parts. Only if you're willing to self build though, which I'm sure you can figure out.
Also won't need to buy Windows since I'll just be using the samehard drive, unless my ATA cables aren't gonna work with the new mboard.
Do you want a case too?
[QUOTE=''SaiTokoKeimei'']Also won't need to buy Windows since I'll just be using the samehard drive, unless my ATA cables aren't gonna work with the new mboard. [/QUOTE]SATA will work just fine. But on most of the new boards, there is only like one IDE slot usually.
I have an extra case layin around but I get confused with the number of expansion slots and how that fits into the case, so I guess a new one won't hurt but it doesn't have to be fancy
thats probably stupid of me but i used to need boards with like 7 PCI slots and had to buy just the right sized case to fit it in, and i got 2 cases out of 3 that didn't work which is why i have an extra now ^_^
[QUOTE=''SaiTokoKeimei'']how much do you think it would cost for a good pc? I'm poor and like to buy parts that are well below top-notch so i can save money (obviously). Or is there any other cpu i can put in this motherboard?[/QUOTE]
I slapt together a pretty good sub-$700 rig. Excludes OS and monitor, KB/M.
Link: https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=5348212
compaq modding
so for my birthday, i got our compaq we bought recently. i'm trying to upgrade it a bit, but i'm new at it. gettting the evga 7900gs video card. everything elseis good, just have quite a few ?'s. 1. it already has a gig of ram, but i want to put more, just dont know how much and dont know how to tell which would fit.2. i get runtime errors on it and im not sure what i could do to fix that3. every once in a while thePC will just shut off, come back, and say ''Your computer has just recovered from a fatal error'' and want to know how i could fix thathelp much appreciatedcompaq modding
need severe help soon so*bump*compaq modding
anyone?
Download cpu-z from [url]www.cpuid.com[/url] then also google memtest86 and scan your ram for errors.
so is it the ram causing the errors?
need severe help soon so*bump*compaq modding
anyone?
Download cpu-z from [url]www.cpuid.com[/url] then also google memtest86 and scan your ram for errors.
so is it the ram causing the errors?
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