Expert people opinion please

Well I'm going to be building my new computer rig end of july so here the list-----------------case
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4991611?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $89.99------------------cpu
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - $266 waiting for the price drop on july 22nd.------------------ram
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $104.99------------------video card suggestion
SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 VIVO HDCP Video Card - $179.99------------------hard drive
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $119.99------------------dvd burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151141------------------windowsticking with window xp for now------------------------Mother board suggestion
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - $129.99Or ABIT IP36 PRO LGA 775 mother board -$185not sure which one should i pick between this 2 btw I'm have no interested using sli or crossfire.---------------------------Power supply suggestion
SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-650HT ATX12V / EPS12V 650W Power Supply 100 - $159.99---------

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4929751?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGThermaltake Toughpower 700W Power Supply - $119.99 ---------http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4894530?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGThermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular Power Supply - $124.99---------
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4929791?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGThermaltake Toughpower 750W Power Supply - $169.99I'm not sure about frys.com I never bought anything from there before though but price are cheaper compare to newegg.com Which site you guys recommand to buy psu from newegg or frys.com?
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which one of this psu will do the job for me? and will it fit on my antec nine hundred case?
btw I might overclock the cpu to 2.8Expert people opinion please
Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but...



You may want to consider a different hard drive. Perpendicular recording is a fairly new technology which increases the density of hard drive platters (less platters in a drive = less heat %26 noise and quicker access times). It's great in theory, but as far as I know, the technology is still new enough that its reliability has yet to be proven. Again, I could be wrong, but I'd say it's at least worth knowing what you're buying, right? ;)Expert people opinion please
[QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir'']Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but... You may want to consider a different hard drive. Perpendicular recording is a fairly new technology which increases the density of hard drive platters (less platters in a drive = less heat %26 noise and quicker access times). It's great in theory, but as far as I know, the technology is still new enough that its reliability has yet to be proven. Again, I could be wrong, but I'd say it's at least worth knowing what you're buying, right? ;)[/QUOTE]I never know that but which hd u recommand then? samsung 500gb looks good on newegg got plenty of positive reviews.any suggestion on mother board between those 2 and power supply?
The hard drive is perfectly fine.Are those G.Skill the HZ kit?
Here are some great RAM deals other then that HZ kit.[QUOTE=''LordEC911'']
$65(after $45MIR) Crucial Ballistix Tracers 2x1gb DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 (D9GMH possible D9DQW)
$70(after $45MIR) Crucial Ballistix 2x1gb DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 (D9GMH possible D9DQW)
$88(after $40MIR) Crucial Ballistix 2x1gb DDR2 1000 5-5-5-12 (Micron D9GMH possible D9DQT)
[/QUOTE]As for the PSU, that TT Toughpower 750w modular is a good deal.
Here are some other good PSU deals-
$125(after $20MIR) Corsair HX620w
$160 PCP%26C 750w Silencer (refurbished but has same warranty as new)
$170 PCP%26C 750 SilencerThe Silverstone(Zeus %26 Olympia) line is always qualityAs for getting your Q6600 to 2.8-3ghz, I would buy an aftermarket cooler.
A Tuniq120, Thermalright Ultra120 or Ultra120 extreme are the best. The Tuniq comes with a fan but the two Ultras don't.
JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.
[QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.[/QUOTE]



Correct. I've avoided using them because of what I have read.



I mentioned that one benefit of perpendicular recording was faster access times. The issue is that overall disk reliability (i.e. the likelihood of data loss related to the increased platter density) hadn't yet been proven in mainstream production. Can you recommend a few good articles or sources which state otherwise?
I've never read an article on hard drive reliability, but the only method I know of that decreases hard drive reliability is putting two hard drives in RAID0.Personally I've had no problems with my two Seagate 7200.10 320GB hard drives /w PRT, and I'm certain that there are thousands / millions? others who use hard drives with PRT. :)
[QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.[/QUOTE] Correct. I've avoided using them because of what I have read. I mentioned that one benefit of perpendicular recording was faster access times. The issue is that overall disk reliability (i.e. the likelihood of data loss related to the increased platter density) hadn't yet been proven in mainstream production. Can you recommend a few good articles or sources which state otherwise?[/QUOTE]Ummm... PRT is all about being more reliable with high density platters, i.e. decreasing the likelihood of reversing the magnetization.
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[QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.[/QUOTE] Correct. I've avoided using them because of what I have read. I mentioned that one benefit of perpendicular recording was faster access times. The issue is that overall disk reliability (i.e. the likelihood of data loss related to the increased platter density) hadn't yet been proven in mainstream production. Can you recommend a few good articles or sources which state otherwise?[/QUOTE]Ummm... PRT is all about being more reliable with high density platters, i.e. decreasing the likelihood of reversing the magnetization.
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Hehe, I've seen that before. It's pretty funny, although I probably wouldn't cite it as a source. Huzzah for Wikipedia. ;)



I guess I just assume that a higher density platter will generally be less reliable, even if it does use perpendicular recording. Maybe I'm underestimating the technology though.
lol nice animation...
U guys purchased anything from frys.com? does they take paypal method payment or credit card only?
[QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.[/QUOTE] Correct. I've avoided using them because of what I have read. I mentioned that one benefit of perpendicular recording was faster access times. The issue is that overall disk reliability (i.e. the likelihood of data loss related to the increased platter density) hadn't yet been proven in mainstream production. Can you recommend a few good articles or sources which state otherwise?[/QUOTE]Ummm... PRT is all about being more reliable with high density platters, i.e. decreasing the likelihood of reversing the magnetization.
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[QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.[/QUOTE] Correct. I've avoided using them because of what I have read. I mentioned that one benefit of perpendicular recording was faster access times. The issue is that overall disk reliability (i.e. the likelihood of data loss related to the increased platter density) hadn't yet been proven in mainstream production. Can you recommend a few good articles or sources which state otherwise?[/QUOTE]Ummm... PRT is all about being more reliable with high density platters, i.e. decreasing the likelihood of reversing the magnetization.
Here[/QUOTE] Hehe, I've seen that before. It's pretty funny, although I probably wouldn't cite it as a source. Huzzah for Wikipedia. ;) I guess I just assume that a higher density platter will generally be less reliable, even if it does use perpendicular recording. Maybe I'm underestimating the technology though.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's right. Disregard Hitachi, the people that developed PRT, and take a random guys word through wikipedia, that makes a lot of sense...
[QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''Hiryuu_'']JN_Fenrir seemingly has no experience with PRT hard drives, and the technology is actually not very new but is proven to be faster than standard 7200RPM hard drives.[/QUOTE] Correct. I've avoided using them because of what I have read. I mentioned that one benefit of perpendicular recording was faster access times. The issue is that overall disk reliability (i.e. the likelihood of data loss related to the increased platter density) hadn't yet been proven in mainstream production. Can you recommend a few good articles or sources which state otherwise?[/QUOTE]Ummm... PRT is all about being more reliable with high density platters, i.e. decreasing the likelihood of reversing the magnetization.
Here[/QUOTE] Hehe, I've seen that before. It's pretty funny, although I probably wouldn't cite it as a source. Huzzah for Wikipedia. ;) I guess I just assume that a higher density platter will generally be less reliable, even if it does use perpendicular recording. Maybe I'm underestimating the technology though.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's right. Disregard Hitachi, the people that developed PRT, and take a random guys word through wikipedia, that makes a lot of sense...[/QUOTE]



I was trying to be diplomatic, but if a brief promotional advertisement featuring an animated singing computer bit is your idea of a credible source, then I'm afraid nothing I say is going to matter to you. And I'm aware of the nature of Wikipedia, but at least it's better than an advertisement created by the company who's trying to sell the technology.



Note that I didn't disagree with you either. I was just looking for more specific information. If you want to use that as an opportunity to argue and try to make yourself feel smarter, go ahead. It only reflects poorly on you.
[QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir'']I was trying to be diplomatic, but if a brief promotional advertisement featuring an animated singing computer bit is your idea of a credible source, then I'm afraid nothing I say is going to matter to you. And I'm aware of the nature of Wikipedia, but at least it's better than an advertisement created by the company who's trying to sell the technology. Note that I didn't disagree with you either. I was just looking for more specific information. If you want to use that as an opportunity to argue and try to make yourself feel smarter, go ahead. It only reflects poorly on you.[/QUOTE]You do realize that the Wikipedia summary used the same video as a link...
[QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir'']I was trying to be diplomatic, but if a brief promotional advertisement featuring an animated singing computer bit is your idea of a credible source, then I'm afraid nothing I say is going to matter to you. And I'm aware of the nature of Wikipedia, but at least it's better than an advertisement created by the company who's trying to sell the technology. Note that I didn't disagree with you either. I was just looking for more specific information. If you want to use that as an opportunity to argue and try to make yourself feel smarter, go ahead. It only reflects poorly on you.[/QUOTE]You do realize that the Wikipedia summary used the same video as a link...[/QUOTE]



It doesn't matter. Wikipedia still had more specific information about perpendicular recording and superparamagnetism. And regardless, I've learned more about the issue.



Now would you like to get back to the actual topic of this thread? Is the technology better than I'm giving it credit for?
lol I was asking for suggestion you guys turn thread into fight
[QUOTE=''metroid_mario'']Well I'm going to be building my new computer rig end of july so here the list-----------------case
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4991611?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $89.99------------------cpu
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - $266 waiting for the price drop on july 22nd.------------------ram
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $104.99------------------video card suggestion
SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 VIVO HDCP Video Card - $179.99------------------hard drive
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $119.99------------------dvd burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151141------------------windowsticking with window xp for now------------------------Mother board suggestion
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - $129.99Or ABIT IP36 PRO LGA 775 mother board -$185not sure which one should i pick between this 2 btw I'm have no interested using sli or crossfire.---------------------------Power supply suggestion
SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-650HT ATX12V / EPS12V 650W Power Supply 100 - $159.99---------

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4929751?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGThermaltake Toughpower 700W Power Supply - $119.99 ---------http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4894530?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGThermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular Power Supply - $124.99---------
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4929791?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGThermaltake Toughpower 750W Power Supply - $169.99I'm not sure about frys.com I never bought anything from there before though but price are cheaper compare to newegg.com Which site you guys recommand to buy psu from newegg or frys.com?
and
which one of this psu will do the job for me? and will it fit on my antec nine hundred case?
btw I might overclock the cpu to 2.8[/QUOTE]I would go with the Cheaper PS and mother board (both boards are pretty descent and don't make a huge performance impact) use the money saved on the biggest proc you can afford it will give you the most performance. A quality 500 watt PS will run any non sli system on the market today without any stability problems if you can save money in those spots to upgrade other places where you can get a performance increase do it.
[QUOTE=''metroid_mario'']lol I was asking for suggestion you guys turn thread into fight[/QUOTE]



I know, it's pretty stupid, huh? :P



Okay, based on what I've read on Wikipedia [1] [2], it seems that perpendicular recording can theoretically increase the reliability of drive platters because it allows for use of a higher coercivity magnetic storage medium (read: ''the platter is more resistant to demagnetization, which results in data loss''). Note that I said theoretically. If you read here under the ''Implementations'' header, you can see that PMR drives have only been commercially available since 2005, when they were said to have reliability issues. Nothing else I've read clearly states that this has been resolved, although a handful of other major manufacturers of storage products have since adopted the technology, so maybe that's proof enough. And yes, this is per Wikipedia, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.



My personal feeling is that a PMR drive is highly likely to be at least as reliable as a normal drive, but being the skeptic that I am, my belief is that even a shadow of a doubt is still a doubt. And regardless of which drive you purchase, you should still exercise some smart computing and keep your O/S and programs on a completely separate drive from your personal data. That way, even if something goes completely wonky and you have to format or reinstall Windows, you don't run the risk of losing your huge collection of porn, MP3s and illegally cracked programs -- I mean personal data. :lol:



So PMR may not be something to worry about, but from my personal experience, there is no such thing as ''too far'' when it comes to ensuring the security of your data. At the very least, I recommend segregating your data in the manner described above, and to be honest, a mirrored RAID isn't exactly a bad idea either. Remember, you never realize what you have until it's gone.



And in response to the topic you actually inquired about (I'm sorry, heh):



The Gigabyte board has been very well-renowned for its overclocking ability with Core2Duo, but the jury is still out on the Core2Quad (although it's probably nothing that a BIOS update couldn't fix, if needed). Also keep in mind that a common problem with P965 boards is that the northbridge chip runs excessively hot. Since you're going to be needing a really powerful cooling setup anyway -- and that means water cooling -- I'd play it safe and toss a water cooling block on there to keep the thing from from melting down.



As for the power supply, I recommend the Seasonic. 650W is more than enough if you're not planning to go the SLI route, and Seasonic makes one hell of a reliable PSU. I've had mine for three years now, and it's still runs as cool and quiet as the day I bought it; it's been a really good experience overall. When I get around to upgrading again, I'll definitely be getting another Seasonic. Simple as that.



Also, you need to make sure all your clock frequencies match up. For example, you've currently selected 800MHz RAM and a CPU with a 1066MHz FSB. This discrepancy means your components won't be communicating at regular intervals, so your system won't be running optimally. In fact, the system would actually run better if you underclocked the RAM to 533MHz (half the FSB of the processor). I would recommend buying 1066MHz RAM, but if you are planning on overclocking, you'll probably want to aim even higher than that. Remember, a balanced ratio between RAM and FSB speeds will give you better performance than simply cranking your components as high as they can go.



Everything else looks good. The X1950 XT is a great card, and it's an outright steal at that price.



I miss anything? ;)
[QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir'']And in response to the topic you actually inquired about (I'm sorry, heh): The Gigabyte board has been very well-renowned for its overclocking ability with Core2Duo, but the jury is still out on the Core2Quad (although it's probably nothing that a BIOS update couldn't fix, if needed). Also keep in mind that a common problem with P965 boards is that the northbridge chip runs excessively hot. Since you're going to be needing a really powerful cooling setup anyway -- and that means water cooling -- I'd play it safe and toss a water cooling block on there to keep the thing from from melting down. As for the power supply, I recommend the Seasonic. 650W is more than enough if you're not planning to go the SLI route, and Seasonic makes one hell of a reliable PSU. I've had mine for three years now, and it's still runs as cool and quiet as the day I bought it; it's been a really good experience overall. When I get around to upgrading again, I'll definitely be getting another Seasonic. Simple as that. Also, you need to make sure all your clock frequencies match up. For example, you've currently selected 800MHz RAM and a CPU with a 1066MHz FSB. This discrepancy means your components won't be communicating at regular intervals, so your system won't be running optimally. In fact, the system would actually run better if you underclocked the RAM to 533MHz (half the FSB of the processor). I would recommend buying 1066MHz RAM, but if you are planning on overclocking, you'll probably want to aim even higher than that. Remember, a balanced ratio between RAM and FSB speeds will give you better performance than simply cranking your components as high as they can go. Everything else looks good. The X1950 XT is a great card, and it's an outright steal at that price. I miss anything? ;)[/QUOTE]LoL P965 needs to be watercooled? Wow.
Anyways he was talking about the P35, not 965...
If he is going to spend $160 on a Seasonic 650w might as well spend $10 and stepup to a PCP%26C 750W Silencer...
I already linked some great deals on ram.